CARLISLE FAMILY ALBUM

The file is a 73-page presentation titled "CARLISLE FAMILY ALBUM," compiled by Connie Brown in August 2025. It details the family history and ancestors of Geoffrey Robert "Bob" Carlisle (1941-2010).

The album is divided into six main parts:

📜 Part I: Carlisle, England

This section covers the origins of the family surname and the history of the city it comes from.

• Surname Origin: The "Carlisle" surname is Scottish in origin but comes from the city of Carlisle in Cumbria, England. The city was built as a fort on land that once belonged to Scotland. The name is believed to derive from the Brittonic words "caer" (fort) and "luel" (stronghold or open land).
• City History: The city was originally the Roman town of Luguvalium, established around 70 AD. It was a key location on Hadrian's Wall. After the Romans departed, it was raided by Vikings in 875.
• Key Landmarks: The city was formally re-established as English territory in 1092 by William II, who began construction of Carlisle Castle. The castle, first built in 1093, is over 900 years old and is noted as the most besieged castle in England. The section also details the history of the Carlisle Cathedral and the Carlisle Citadel, a border defense built in 1541 by order of King Henry VIII.

👑 Part II: Royal Lineage

This part traces the Carlisle family's lineage back to Scottish royalty.

• Royal Connection: The history for Geoffrey Robert Carlisle is said to begin with the Scottish Royal Family, starting with King Malcolm II of Scotland (1005-1034). He is identified as Geoffrey Robert Carlisle's 27th great-grandfather.
• Key Ancestors:
  • The line continues through Malcolm II's daughter, Bethóc (26th great-grandmother).
  • Bethóc had two sons: King Duncan I and Sir Hildred of Carliell.
  • King Duncan I (reigned 1034-1040) is the historical figure fictionalized in Shakespeare's The Tragedy of Macbeth. He was killed by his cousin, Macbeth.
  • The direct Carlisle family line descends from King Duncan's brother, Sir Hildred de Carliell (25th great-grandfather), who owned the Barony of Carlisle.

🇬🇧 Part III: Scotland and England

This section provides a genealogical trace from the 24th great-grandparents down to the ancestors who left England.

• The "Torthorwald" Name: The 15th great-grandfather, Sir John Carlyle, was the 1st Lord Carlyle of Torthorwald. This name is later passed down to Geoffrey Robert Carlisle's father, Geoffrey Frederick Torthorwald Carlisle.
• Move to England: The family line appears to have moved from Scotland to England with the 6th great-grandfather, John Carlisle.
• Immigration to America: The family remained in England until the two sons of Thomas Carlisle (Geoffrey's 2nd great-grandfather)—Edmund and Harold—immigrated to America in 1880.

🤠 Part IV: Wealthy English Cowboys in America

This section details the lives of the first Carlisle immigrants in America, brothers Edmund and Harold.

• The Cattle Barons: Edmund Septimus Carlisle (Geoffrey's great-grandfather) and his brother Harold were already wealthy merchants who had attended Oxford. They were motivated to invest in the U.S. cattle industry by the book The Beef Bonanza, or How to Get Rich on the Plains.
• Arrival: They arrived in New York in April 1880 aboard the SS Celtic.
• Ranching Life: They managed the Kansas and New Mexico Land and Cattle Company. Edmund was based in Mt. Hope, Kansas, while Harold, known as "the big English cattle baron," settled in Durango, Colorado.
• "Wild West" Connections: During the early 1880s, their time in Durango overlapped with several famous figures.
  • Harry Longabaugh (the Sundance Kid) lived in the area and worked for a neighboring cattle company.
  • Robert Leroy Parker (Butch Cassidy) was the older brother of a man employed by the Carlisle Cattle Company.
  • Wyatt Earp and Jesse James also reportedly visited Durango during this period.
• Frontier Conflicts: The brothers had violent conflicts with local Ute and Paiute nations over cattle and with Mexican sheep herders. Edmund gained a reputation as a "hard-driving cowboy" and sent a "famous message" to the Interior Department: "If your troops don't come and take care of these Indians, I will".
• Edmund's Death: Edmund died at age 43 in 1894. His will was famously short, stating in its entirety: "This is my last will and testament. I leave everything I possess to my wife, Mary James Forrest Carlisle, and I appoint her sole executrix and administrator without bond. EDMUND S. CARLISLE.".

🇺🇸 Part V: America - Direct Ancestors

This part connects the 19th-century ancestors to the modern family, listing the direct lineage of Geoffrey Robert Carlisle.

• Paternal Great-Grandparents: Edmund Septimus Carlisle and Mary James Forrest Hern.
• Paternal Grandparents: Geoffrey Frederick Torthorwald Carlisle and Florence Ellen Sites.
• Maternal Great-Grandparents: (1) Jacob Edward Turner and Edith Francis Goldsmith, and (2) Frank Horace Wiley and Emma Lavina Pegg.
• Maternal Grandparents: Harry Elmont Turner and Ethel Irene Wiley.
• Parents: Geoffrey Edmund Carlisle and Ellen Jean Turner/Bucher.

👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 Part VI: Geoffrey Robert Carlisle Family 2025

This final section details the immediate family of the album's central figure, Geoffrey Robert "Bob" Carlisle (1941-2010).

• Siblings: He had one full sibling, Judith Ann Carlisle (1943-2010), and two half-siblings from his parents' second marriages: Stephen Alexander Carlisle and Sally Ann Holt.
• Wife, Partner, and Children:
  • With his wife, Kay Ellen Slagle, he had three children: Barbara Lynn (b. 1960), Kathy Ann (b. 1961), and Geoffrey Allen (b. 1967).
  • With his partner, Anna Alexis Demetris, he had one child: Krysta A. (b. 1981).
• The section also lists his nieces, nephews, and cousins, concluding with photos of "The Carlisle Family Today".

Detailed Family History Breakdown

1. Answers to Specific Questions

• Who was Sir Hildred de Carliell? Sir Hildred de Carliell (also called Maldred) was a knight and the brother of King Duncan I of Scotland. He owned the Barony of Carlisle, on which the city of Carlisle was built. He is the 25th great-grandfather of Geoffrey Robert Carlisle, and the direct Carlisle family line begins with him.

• What was Edmund Carlisle's "famous message"? In 1884, during a conflict with local Native Americans, Edmund Carlisle sent a "famous message" to the Interior Department, which stated: "If your troops don't come and take care of these Indians, I will.".

• What was notable about Edmund S. Carlisle's will? His will was famously short and described as the "shortest on record" at the time. The entire will read: "This is my last will and testament. I leave everything I possess to my wife, Mary James Forrest Carlisle, and I appoint her sole executrix and administrator without bond. EDMUND S. CARLISLE.".

2. Extracted List: Geoffrey Robert Carlisle's Children

Geoffrey Robert "Bob" Carlisle (1941-2010) had four children from two different partners:

• With wife Kay Ellen Slagle:
  • Barbara Lynn (born 1960 in Coronado, CA)
  • Kathy Ann (born 1961 in San Diego, CA)
  • Geoffrey Allen (born 1967 in San Diego, CA)
• With partner Anna Alexis Demetris:
  • Krysta A. (born 1981 in San Diego, CA)

3. Timeline of Key Family Migrations

• c. 1005–1100s (Scotland): The family line begins with Scottish royalty, including King Malcolm II, his son-in-law Crínán of Dunkeld, and their sons King Duncan I and Sir Hildred de Carliell.
• Sometime in the 1700s (Scotland to England): The 6th great-grandfather, John Carlisle, appears to have moved the family line from Scotland to England.
• 1880 (England to America): Geoffrey Robert Carlisle's great-grandfather, Edmund Septimus Carlisle, and his brother, Harold, immigrated to America from Liverpool, England. They arrived in New York aboard the SS Celtic.
• c. 1880s (Settling in America): Upon arriving, Edmund settled in Mt. Hope, Kansas, while Harold settled in Durango, Colorado.
• 1915–1941 (Kansas to Missouri): Geoffrey Robert Carlisle's father, Geoffrey Edmund Carlisle, was born in Mt. Hope, KS, in 1915. Geoffrey Robert Carlisle himself was born in Kansas City, MO, in 1941.
• 1941–2010 (Missouri to California): Geoffrey Robert "Bob" Carlisle was born in Missouri and later had children in San Diego and Coronado, CA. He passed away in San Diego, CA, in 2010.

4. Summary: The "Wild West" Connections

When the brothers Edmund and Harold Carlisle settled in Kansas and Colorado, their lives overlapped with several famous and infamous figures of the American West. Harold, who was based in Durango, CO, was in the area at the same time as:

• The Sundance Kid (Harry Longabaugh): At age 14, he moved to the Durango area in 1882. He later worked for the L. C. Cattle Company, where he met members of the "Wild Bunch".
• Butch Cassidy (Robert Leroy Parker): He was the older brother of Dan Parker, who was an employee of the Carlisle Cattle Company.
• Wyatt Earp: He spent time in Durango in 1881 with his friends Doc Holliday and Bat Masterson.
• Jesse James: He also reportedly visited Durango around this time to "get a bit of coin".

5. Explained Relationship

The relationship between Geoffrey Robert Carlisle and King Duncan I is: King Duncan I is the 26th great-granduncle of Geoffrey Robert Carlisle.

• Geoffrey's 27th great-grandfather was King Malcolm II.
• King Malcolm II's daughter was Bethóc (Geoffrey's 26th great-grandmother).
• Bethóc had two sons: King Duncan I and Sir Hildred de Carliell.
• The direct family line descends from Sir Hildred, making King Duncan I the brother of the direct ancestor.

John Howland: Mayflower Passenger and Ancestor of Helen Jean Smith

John Howland (c. 1593–1673) was an English indentured servant aboard the Mayflower in 1620, sailing as manservant to Governor John Carver.[0] Born in Fenstanton, Huntingdonshire, England, to Henry and Margaret Howland, he survived a dramatic fall overboard during a storm, grasping a halyard to return aboard—a tale recorded by William Bradford in Of Plymouth Plantation.[1][2] He signed the Mayflower Compact as the 13th signer, marking his role in Plymouth Colony's founding.[9]

Howland prospered in Plymouth: he received land in the 1623 division (4 acres for himself, wife, and her deceased parents) and joined the 1627 cattle division with family.[2] By 1626, he was a freeman, aiding in treaties (e.g., with Wampanoag sachem Massasoit) and assuming colony debts for fur trade monopoly.[24] He later acquired farms in Duxbury and Rocky Nook, dying February 23, 1673, at ~80 in Plymouth—the last Mayflower passenger alive there.[0][9] Buried on Burial Hill, Plymouth; his 1672/73 will distributed estates to sons.[5]

Marriage and Children

Howland married Elizabeth Tilley (1607–1687), another Mayflower orphan (her parents, John and Joan Tilley, died in the first winter), c. 1623–1624 in Plymouth.[0][4] Elizabeth, baptized August 30, 1607, in Henlow, Bedfordshire, outlived him, dying December 21, 1687, in Swansea.[1] They had 10 children (eldest Desire by 1627 cattle division), founding one of the largest Mayflower lines (~2 million U.S. descendants).[4][7]

Sources: Mayflower Families Through Five Generations, Vol. 23 (GSMD, 2006).[0][3]

Gorham Line: From Desire Howland to Helen Jean Smith

Desire Howland (b. Plymouth c. 1624/25; d. Barnstable Oct. 13, 1683) married Capt. John Gorham (b. Landsdowne, Somerset, England c. 1621; d. Swansea Oct. 5, 1675), son of Ralph and Margaret (Stephenson) Gorham, c. 1643.[10][11][15] John, a Yarmouth/Barnstable fur trader and captain, fought in King Philip's War (1675–1676, posthumous award).[14] They had 11 children in Barnstable, emphasizing Quaker ties and Cape Cod settlement.[19]

The provided chart traces Helen Jean Smith's patrilineal descent through Gorhams and Smiths (8 generations to Howland). Verified via John Howland of the Mayflower, Vol. 1 (White, 1990).[0] Key intermediates:

No direct public records for Helen Jean Smith beyond family trees (e.g., Ancestry/GenForum hints), but lineage aligns with GSMD "Silver Books."[20][22] Potential relation to Joseph Smith (LDS founder) via shared Gorham/Howland lines, though unconfirmed here.[7]

Notable Descendants and Legacy

Howland's line produced Boston Brahmins, Harvard elites, and figures like Presidents Bush (via Lydia), FDR (via Hope), Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Emerson, Longfellow, Chevy Chase.[1][7] Gorham branch: Nantucket founders, Quakers; e.g., Walter Folger (anti-slavery advocate).[17][18] Y-DNA: Haplogroup I-M253 (tested descendants).[6]

Key Sources and Links

• Primary: Of Plymouth Plantation (Bradford, 1651; text).
• Genealogy: Mayflower Families, Vol. 23 (GSMD; overview); John Howland of the Mayflower (White, 1990–2015; Vols. 1–5 via Picton Press).
• Bios: GSMD Profile; Wikipedia; WikiTree.
• Gorham: WikiTree Desire; Geni.
• Modern: Pilgrim John Howland Society; Mayflower DNA Project.

For verification, join GSMD (themayflowersociety.org) or test via FamilyTreeDNA.

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